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the planet's puppet masters almost

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surely have a plan

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this clearly may be something there

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beyond the realm of man

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and until you've thoroughly tested every

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last course just a few

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i find the more you think you know the

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less you really do

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that's true dr seuss where would we be

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without thc cause we

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company all right higher side chatters i

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think it's pretty clear by now that we

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live in a world of secrecy and mystery

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but we do what we can to scoop up the

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occasional breadcrumbs and piece

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together the strange sagas they don't

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want us to know about

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and even when the breadcrumbs are scarce

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one can still look at the sometimes

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insane lengths various factions of the

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nefarious few go to keep their secrets

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and you can tell that they must be

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hiding something big

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redacted documents classified for

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decades missing files

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official investigations that are clearly

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cover-ups theological lifetime

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imprisonment of people who just might

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know something and of course a

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smattering of mysterious suicides in the

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wake of whatever it is they're

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protecting

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this is a template of patterns that

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applies to many slices of the conspiracy

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pie

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and it's a key component of joseph

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farrell's latest book hess and the

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penguins the holocaust antarctica and

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the strange case of rudolph hess

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as i'm sure you know dr farrell is the

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man behind gizadethstar.com and the

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author of many great books most with a

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fascinating interweaving continuity that

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gets into the evidence of advanced

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civilizations in the ancient past the

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financial goings-on of the world's elite

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hidden physics alchemy and occult

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sciences the survival of a post-war nazi

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network schooling projects to dumb down

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the people

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transhumanism and nearly every

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ingredient in a good hearty conspiracy

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soup

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he's high up on my short list of

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favorites and today marks his fourth

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time on thc here to discuss the latest

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book the mysteries of antarctica

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and the strange but telling twisted web

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he so accurately refers to

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as the hess mess so warm yourself by the

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fire of your choice and let's get this

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party started

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a scholar of the world secrets high

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octane speculator extraordinaire and

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parapolitical professor of the highest

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order dr joseph farrell welcome back to

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the higher side

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thanks for having me back greg yeah man

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always a pleasure

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thanks so much for doing it i am not at

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all surprised that i really love this

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latest book

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hess and the penguins it's a complex

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saga with a ton of twists and turns body

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doubles mind control

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antarctic expeditions and secret cues it

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really has everything man

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and it is a lot to unpack in a

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conversation but i think

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the best way to start is really the same

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way you start the book because just by

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examining

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the facts about hitler's deputy rudolph

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hess's extremely unique post-war

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imprisonment

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that right there is enough to

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communicate the scale of

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a pretty big secret i would say isn't it

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well yeah i think so

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you know hess died in 1987

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and the soviet union to keep an entire

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prison you know maintain an entire

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maintain this strict regime for 21

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spandau prison why was it necessary for

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them to guard this one man

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you know he wasn't a threat to anybody

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very bad health and yet they keep up

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conversely what were they afraid of

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if he were to be released you know the

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whole thing

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right and for people who know like you

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said 21 years he was the only

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prisoner in this prison right as you

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point out in the book to have multiple

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nations

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pitching in to keep the prison going for

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one man is no small thing

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and these are nations who were on really

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tense ground through the cold war and

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missile crisis yeah but you know on this

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prison they were in pretty much

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yeah this is what really sticks out to

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in spite of all the cold war tensions

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reagan gorbachev era

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and there were tensions in that period

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and yet the one thing that keeps the

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four allied powers united is rudolf hess

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missiles might fly

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but by golly we've got to keep our

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guards posted for this guy

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yeah so that's that says it right there

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you know what's the big

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secret or danger that this guy posed

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to the allied powers if they had let him

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out and again you know they released

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here's the problem they released other

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big-name nazis grand admiral dennis

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grand admiral raider who had also been

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sentenced to life

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walter funk another life sentence fellow

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that was released early like grand

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admiral raider on humanitarian grounds

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so in other words it wasn't as if

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the allied powers were committed to

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you know a regime and a doctrine of

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cruelty

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to these people but yet hess is the one

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that they have to keep locked up and it

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gets even stranger

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because if you go back and remember the

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way that

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hess was treated in german propaganda

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before his flight hess is you know the

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best thing since sliced bread

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the nazi propaganda organs are paying a

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great deal of

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attention to him particularly in the

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weeks prior to the flight

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and then after the flight all of a

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sudden he's denounced as

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insane a guy that kind of lost his mind

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dabbling in too much occult

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and the british are willing to go along

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with this reading so in other words you

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literally literally overnight

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so again what's the big secret why are

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afraid of letting this man go when

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were willing to do so in the case of

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and grand admiral raider so you know

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you know the questions the questions

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start piling on

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almost as soon as you look at any aspect

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what i call the hess mess and it doesn't

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ever let up and this is probably one

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reason why so few people write about it

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but to give you

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another idea of the magnitude of the

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scale of this thing greg

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the hess documents were all supposed to

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be released

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this year as were incidentally the jfk

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documents which of course president

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trump did release some of those

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but you know that ought to tell us

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something of the magnitude

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of the hess case you know he's at least

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the attention that kennedy has and yet i

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is one of the most significant stories

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of the 20th century

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oh for sure it's definitely

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international in scope when you get into

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a truly unique case and as you said he

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died in prison in 1987 at 93 years old

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officially it was a suicide but even

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that's pretty suspect isn't it

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as you said in the introduction almost

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every point

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of the hess affair is capable of more

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than one interpretation

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or one argument but the real suspicion

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begins with his

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death because according to the official

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narrative he's found by an

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american guard a black american guard

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who of course has

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hated because he hated black people you

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know being a good nazi

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but he's found by a black american guard

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supposedly tied a

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cord from an electric reading lamp to a

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window latch that was kind of

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you know highly placed on the wall it

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was an upper

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window and it was in this garden house

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that they put

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up for hess out in the prison courtyard

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it's kind of a little place he could

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just kind of get away to

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and he supposedly tied this electric

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cord around

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the window latch and then looped it

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around his neck and tied it there and

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fell off a bench that he was sitting on

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in order to hang himself and commit

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suicide okay

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the problem it's a big

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problem is that hess of course

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had a son by the name of wolf hess both

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rudiger hiss

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and he also had at that time a tunisian

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male nurse by the name of abdullah

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and his nurse who had taken care of him

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for half a decade

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immediately suspected murder for the

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very simple reason that hess had

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extremely bad arthritis he had to walk

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with a cane he had to be helped with

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walking with people you know holding him

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and because of his arthritis he was not

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able to raise his arms above his

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shoulder which he would have had to have

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done to tie this

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noose and additionally his hands were so

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arthritic that he also had to have

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people help him

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you know hold a spoon or a fork so that

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he could eat

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so in other words the chances of him

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doing what the narrative says he did in

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tying this

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cord around a window latch above his

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head

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and then looping it in turn around his

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neck and tying it off there and then

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climbing up on this bench and falling

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off of it to commit suicide are very

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unlikely

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so that raises the question and i'm

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definitely one of those that

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does think that he was probably murdered

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that raises the question of who did it

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and why

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and malawi is his nurse

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says that he saw two

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guards american guards in very

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ill-fitting uniforms that he had did not

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recognize

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on the premises of spandau prison and

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again you know i find that very

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significant because malawi would have

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been very familiar

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with the normal personnel in all the

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guard rotations of all the allied powers

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the russians the french the british

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and the americans he would have known

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these people

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and if new personnel had been introduced

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to the equation he probably would

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have been made aware of who they were

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simply by

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you know the protocols of running that

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place efficiently so in other words

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there's a lot of suspicious activity on

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the day of

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hess's death and what's even more

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interesting is that when malawi shows up

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at the prison when they phone him to

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tell him that hez

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had died and to come right away well he

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comes

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hess is still alive and he asks

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these two strange american guards that

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he doesn't recognize to help him

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perform cpr and tells another orderly to

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run and get the oxygen bottle the oxygen

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bottles brought back

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it had been tampered with there was no

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oxygen in it

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and of course he he malawi said he had

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checked the oxygen bottle that morning

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and it was okay so you know there's

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there's something suspicious there so he

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asked these guards to do cpr and one of

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the guards

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supposedly helping him do cpr is

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applying

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such pressure to this old man's ribs

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that he breaks a couple of his ribs

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there's some suspicion that he may have

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been alive even prior to leaving the

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prison and

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died subsequently in the british

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military hospital but yeah i think

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clearly he was murdered the real

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question is why

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and that of course jumps us off into the

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deep end of the hesmes

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it does and yeah his nurse makes so many

354
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great points as you point out in the

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book and

356
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it just doesn't add up at all and just

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to back up a little bit rudolph hess

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has one hell of a bio it seems like he's

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basically

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he's close to being hitler's best friend

361
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he's the nazi officer with the highest

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level of occult interest he was born

363
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in alexandria egypt and it's pretty

364
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clear he was a member of the

365
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thule society so not a boring guy is

366
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there anything more you can say about

367
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those occult interests or his beliefs or

368
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the man himself

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this was really the cosmopolitan nazi if

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i could have

371
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he spoke several languages he spoke

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french he spoke english

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and of course he spoke arabic so in

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other words you know he's a multilingual

375
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man

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when he arrives in great britain he's

377
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you know he's conversing with the

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british in english

379
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he was very accomplished intellectually

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his professors in his various academic

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pursuits after world war one

382
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all record that he had good facility

383
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with mathematics and history and physics

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and astronomy and things like this so he

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was not a dumb

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individual he was probably as

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smart if not somewhat a little bit

388
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smarter than than herman garrig

389
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:03,839
so in other words he was not a stupid

390
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man by any stretch of the imagination

391
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the hugely important thing to note about

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hess

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and there are several things is first of

394
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all his relationship with hitler himself

395
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was

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so close that many people to this day

397
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kind of argue that they suspect that

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they may have had some sort of

399
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innate or or repressed homosexual

400
00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:28,320
relationship

401
00:14:32,069 --> 00:14:30,720
i don't think that's the case but you

402
00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:32,079
know it's out there

403
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:34,800
because their relationship was so close

404
00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:36,639
hitler and hess

405
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:38,639
referred to each other in the german as

406
00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:41,199
do which of course is the informal

407
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:43,680
address that you use with close friends

408
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:45,199
or family

409
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and you know germans don't especially at

410
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,440
that time don't extend that privilege

411
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:51,120
lightly

412
00:14:55,189 --> 00:14:53,360
you know that's a little measure and the

413
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:55,199
other thing that most people don't know

414
00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:58,160
is that hess's relationship with hitler

415
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:00,079
was so close

416
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:03,360
that it was actually hess who

417
00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:06,480
wrote many passages of mein kampf

418
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especially the passages dealing with

419
00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,160
geopolitics and

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00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:12,800
the nazi party and its doctrine and that

421
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,800
flies in the face of the normal

422
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:16,160
narrative that hess

423
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was just simply the secretary typing

424
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,639
down what hitler dictated this is not

425
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:21,839
the case

426
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:24,320
in fact it was hess that even suggested

427
00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:27,760
the title of mineconf hitler wanted to

428
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:29,680
title it something like four years of

429
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:31,759
struggle against lies oppression and you

430
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,480
know

431
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a title in other words a title that

432
00:15:39,269 --> 00:15:36,320
hardly rolled off the tongue very

433
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:39,279
easily so hess was very instrumental he

434
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:41,199
was widely suspected

435
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:44,160
at the time when the nazis took power as

436
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:46,079
being the real brains behind the

437
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:46,959
operation

438
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:50,480
his positions of power within nazi

439
00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:51,279
germany

440
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:53,920
if you really investigate and dig into

441
00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:55,680
them in detail

442
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:58,480
are breathtaking because he becomes the

443
00:16:03,189 --> 00:15:59,759
so-called deputy

444
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:03,199
for hitler in charge of the nazi party

445
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:04,720
so in other words think of hess

446
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:07,519
as kind of in the same position of

447
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,240
stalin

448
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,720
inside the soviet union being general

449
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:12,880
secretary of the communist party

450
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:15,360
well this is tess's position in nazi

451
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,160
germany he's

452
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,800
he's the one that's in personal charge

453
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:20,399
of the nazi party and

454
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:22,720
all of its apparatus and intelligence

455
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,079
organizations

456
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,399
he's the one that is vetting

457
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,079
bureaucratic appointments

458
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:30,959
to government posts in the third reich

459
00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:32,240
he holds

460
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:34,160
several positions in the government as

461
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,279
well he's

462
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:37,680
a reich minister without portfolio he's

463
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,440
a member of the secret cabinet

464
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,279
council which would be roughly

465
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:43,279
equivalent to our national security

466
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:44,320
council

467
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:47,759
he is in charge of a number of liaison

468
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:50,000
bureaus between the government and the

469
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:50,880
party

470
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,360
and he's also reich komasar for all

471
00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:55,279
technological development in other words

472
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:56,240
this is the guy

473
00:17:03,030 --> 00:16:59,680
prior to 1941 that would have known

474
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:03,040
every detail of every aspect of nazi

475
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:04,000
black projects

476
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:07,839
research so he's an extremely powerful

477
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:11,520
man add to this one more thing

478
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:14,640
hess is also a morally conflicted

479
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:17,679
man because he's the one

480
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,280
that urges hitler to crack down

481
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,360
on the brown shirts the the storm up

482
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:24,640
thailand the

483
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,679
storm troopers he's the one that urges

484
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:29,600
hitler to crack down on them

485
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:32,000
in response to the army's request to do

486
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,520
so but

487
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,520
once hitler decides to go ahead with

488
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:36,960
this then it's also

489
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,480
hess that turns around and is arguing

490
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,720
with hitler heard arguing with hitler

491
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,480
for quite some time

492
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,720
over who should be on the death list and

493
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:48,480
who should not be on the death list and

494
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,120
it's hes

495
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:51,360
that's urging well take this person off

496
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,880
take that person off

497
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,720
so you have the night of the long knives

498
00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:57,120
in nazi germany in 1935

499
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,840
and after that point pess begins to

500
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,679
develop the stomach problems

501
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,600
that plague him for the rest of his life

502
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:06,160
and some people think and i tend to

503
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:06,640
agree

504
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,200
that this is kind of a psychosomatic

505
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:11,360
response to the night of the long nights

506
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:12,320
and then

507
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:15,919
fast forward a couple of years to 1938

508
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,080
and the reich kristallnacht the

509
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,480
beginning of the pogrom against the jews

510
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:22,720
in nazi germany where jewish shops are

511
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,240
looted and

512
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:26,640
synagogues are burned and so on and of

513
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:29,760
course this activity continues for some

514
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:32,320
days and weeks after the beginning of it

515
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:32,799
and

516
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:37,280
it's hess who is arguing with hitler to

517
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you know stop this reign this in

518
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,280
and again you see him kind of being

519
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,440
morally conflicted about the treatment

520
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,080
being meted out to the jews

521
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:50,960
partially i think this is because he

522
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,000
also

523
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,799
in between the wars became a

524
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,080
matriculated student

525
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,480
at the university of munich where he's

526
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,120
studying geopolitics under the nazi

527
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,039
geopolitical guru dr

528
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,200
carl househoffer and of course

529
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:08,160
householder's wife is half jewish

530
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:11,200
so hess you know like many of these

531
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,039
morally conflicted nazis

532
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,320
hess extends his personal protection to

533
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,080
the householder family

534
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,720
even though by the same token it's

535
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,480
hess's signature

536
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,720
on the nuremberg race laws you know he

537
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,600
has to sign as kind of the witness

538
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,000
to these laws in behalf of the nazi

539
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:31,919
party so his signature is on the

540
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,720
nuremberg race law so you're dealing

541
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:36,400
in other words i think with a

542
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,240
tremendously morally conflicted man

543
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:43,520
that is on the one hand part of these

544
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:46,880
these power plays inside of nazi germany

545
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,919
and yet once they get started he's the

546
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:51,679
one urging

547
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,799
for some some mitigation and some

548
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,200
compassion so he's he's a tremendously

549
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,520
morally conflicted man

550
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:01,360
right now that's a solid profile of the

551
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,960
guy for people who weren't familiar and

552
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,600
now

553
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,520
to get back to the overarching story

554
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:07,440
this is where it gets really complex

555
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,559
but the most pivotal moment in hess's

556
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,480
story is the infamous flight he took

557
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,440
to scotland to meet with some people and

558
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:17,039
maybe we'll get into the meet of why

559
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,240
that flight took place

560
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,640
you know in a minute but there is good

561
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,760
reason to believe

562
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:24,159
that somewhere during that trip hesse

563
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,880
was either

564
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,880
heavily hit with drug-induced mind

565
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,480
control programming

566
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,240
replaced with a double who was heavily

567
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:32,080
hit with drug-induced mind control

568
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:32,880
programming

569
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,919
or maybe even both and i guess can you

570
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,600
tell us a bit about the evidence to

571
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,120
support the idea that

572
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,440
the hess we have after that flight the

573
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,360
hess who was at the nuremberg trials

574
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,120
even and spent the rest of his life

575
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,760
in that prison was actually not the real

576
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,200
guy

577
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,039
okay this is where it gets interesting i

578
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,440
do have to i do have to make one

579
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,640
minor correction the idea that he was

580
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,880
replaced as a double during the flight i

581
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,559
don't think is correct that was actually

582
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,000
the theory that was put out by the

583
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,559
british physician hugh thomas i think

584
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:07,520
if there was a substitution of a double

585
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:08,559
it took place

586
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:11,600
after the flight after the real has had

587
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:12,799
landed in britain

588
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,520
and was captured by the british at some

589
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,400
point

590
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,240
during the next four years i think this

591
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,840
substitution took place it would have

592
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,600
been much too difficult

593
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,159
to pull that off on the nazi side for

594
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,000
various reasons but

595
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,760
getting into the the question of a

596
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,520
double the first red

597
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,799
flag is raised when

598
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:35,440
you look at a letter that he had given

599
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:35,919
to

600
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:39,200
his tunisian nurse abdullah malawi

601
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,880
to smuggle out of spandau and

602
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:45,600
pass on to certain people on the outside

603
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,240
now

604
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,960
presumably that would mean his family or

605
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,799
somebody else and

606
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,280
in the post-war nazi network inside of

607
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,120
germany nobody knows really

608
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:57,280
for whom this letter was intended but

609
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,240
malawi

610
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:01,679
opened it and in this letter

611
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,600
hess is complaining about and remember

612
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,039
this is the post-war

613
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,559
hassan spandau house we're talking about

614
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,720
hess is complaining about not having

615
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:14,720
been allowed to smoke

616
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,600
during a certain period of his captivity

617
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,039
in great britain

618
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,159
at mind of palace and of course

619
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,799
that should shoot anybody's suspicion

620
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,080
meter needle

621
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,120
right into the red zone because the real

622
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,000
house didn't smoke

623
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,320
he was like hitler he was absolutely

624
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,840
fanatically opposed

625
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,720
to smoking so you know that's that's

626
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:40,880
clue number one that something is off

627
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,000
about hess but the real clue

628
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,159
for me and this this is where we plunge

629
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:48,240
into the deep end again the real clue

630
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:48,720
for me

631
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,760
was that the british researchers picnic

632
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,039
and prince

633
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,080
picked up on a detail that i found just

634
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:58,400
utterly fascinating and that was

635
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,000
that when alan dulles the oss

636
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,799
station chief in zurich switzerland

637
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,400
during the war

638
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,960
partner of sullivan and cromwell

639
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,559
personally connected to william

640
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,640
mckittrick you know the the american

641
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,480
president of the bank of international

642
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,640
settlements during the war

643
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,440
and then subsequently of course cia

644
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,640
director and

645
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:23,760
member of the warren commission well

646
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,039
dulles is in nuremberg after the war

647
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:30,320
and he wants to see hess

648
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:33,360
and he contacts a friend of his to

649
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:34,480
examine hess

650
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,919
because he tells this friend that he

651
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:38,640
suspects

652
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:42,080
that the hess that's in nuremberg

653
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:46,400
is a double now picnic and prince do not

654
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,279
say

655
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:50,159
why dulles suspected this they simply

656
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,640
note

657
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,919
that he did and the physician

658
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:56,240
friend of his that he contacted to

659
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,200
examine

660
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,240
the hess in nuremberg was none other

661
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,679
than dr ewan cameron

662
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:06,159
and if you're familiar with the story of

663
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:06,880
mk

664
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:10,159
ultra the post-war cia mind control

665
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:11,440
project

666
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:14,640
dr ewan cameron was heavily involved in

667
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:15,120
one

668
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,039
aspect of that project up in canada

669
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,679
using a process that he called psychic

670
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,039
driving

671
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,679
which was based on massive amounts of

672
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:27,440
drug cocktails and

673
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,640
sleep and recorded messages that people

674
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,320
would be forced to listen to

675
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,200
over and over and over again and what

676
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:37,120
cameron was trying to do with these

677
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:38,159
experiments

678
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,440
was literally to erase one personality

679
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,640
in people

680
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,600
and replace it with another so this is

681
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,400
the guy

682
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:49,679
that for whatever reason alan dulles

683
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,440
wants to have examined nuremberg hess

684
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:56,000
because he suspects is a double now here

685
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,120
there's another little

686
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,720
spin to this the british physician

687
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:03,840
that actually did the official autopsy

688
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,080
on spandau hiss when he did die

689
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,960
is a fellow by the name of james malcolm

690
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,640
cameron

691
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,880
and i don't know that anybody else other

692
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,679
than me

693
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,240
noticed this problem that ewan cameron

694
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,559
is examining hess in nuremberg

695
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,919
and another cameron is doing the

696
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,880
official british autopsy when hess dies

697
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,039
so i did a little digging

698
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:32,159
and discovered that the autopsy

699
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,799
physician

700
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:36,000
james cameron went to the same medical

701
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:36,480
school

702
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,840
in glasgow as dr ewan cameron

703
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,840
so you know and it's a tight-knit clan

704
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,200
by the way you know we've seen

705
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:46,240
a recent british prime minister with

706
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,200
that name

707
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,799
so in other words you know there may be

708
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,360
a conduit of information to dulles

709
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,600
through the cameron clan i don't know

710
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,760
but certainly dulles suspected this and

711
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,600
certainly it's very suspicious that he

712
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,000
brings in a subsequent mind control

713
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,559
psychiatrist to examine the nuremberg

714
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:04,159
hess and now the interesting part of

715
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:04,960
that story

716
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,559
is dulles sets it all up but the british

717
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,600
refused to allow dr cameron

718
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,240
to examine the prisoner and what they're

719
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:15,600
looking for

720
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,200
are war wounds that hess had suffered

721
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,360
as a soldier in world war one he was at

722
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:23,360
the battle of verdun which of course was

723
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,080
just this

724
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,960
prolonged bloodbath and then he was

725
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,679
transferred

726
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,480
in 1917 to the eastern front where he

727
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,039
sustained some truly serious

728
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,760
injuries on the left side of his chest

729
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,400
and to his left lung

730
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,480
so you know he had to convalesce for a

731
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:41,760
number of years well

732
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,279
these wounds would have left scars and

733
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,520
basically what i think dulles was

734
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:49,760
wanting cameron to do

735
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,440
is look for evidence of these war wounds

736
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,440
to establish whether or not this was the

737
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:56,880
real hess

738
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,919
and the other problem greg with with

739
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:01,440
hess in nuremberg

740
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:04,840
is his behavior is just totally

741
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,400
bizarre he acts like a complete goof

742
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:11,600
half the time and then towards the end

743
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:11,919
of

744
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,919
the trial hearings he finally drops the

745
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,640
goof act

746
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,799
and all of a sudden becomes quote

747
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,240
unquote his old self

748
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,760
and again we don't know if we're dealing

749
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,440
with the real house or the fake one but

750
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,120
i suspect a fake one

751
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,120
because during this whole period that

752
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,120
he's acting goofy and sitting there in

753
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,440
the dock reading novels you know and not

754
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,039
paying any attention

755
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,360
and then occasionally interjecting a

756
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,440
really strange bizarre comment

757
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,720
the one person that suspected something

758
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,120
was up was herman gary

759
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,200
who of course is sitting right next to

760
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,120
his during the entire

761
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,000
entirety of the trials and on hess's

762
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,159
left is the german foreign minister

763
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:54,000
former foreign minister joachim von

764
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,200
ribentrop

765
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,760
and behind him is grand admiral janet's

766
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,799
okay

767
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,760
so you've got these big name nazis you

768
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,000
know

769
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,440
all sitting around hess well gehring was

770
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,440
used by the british and the americans

771
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:09,039
they've actually brought garing

772
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,120
and dr househofer into nuremberg to see

773
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,480
if nuremberg hess could recognize them

774
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,520
and initially in both cases he said no

775
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,279
he didn't recognize them

776
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,360
and gearing you know once the trials

777
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,640
start and has

778
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,320
exhibits all this very bizarre behavior

779
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,640
gearing at one point when the trial is

780
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,240
recessed

781
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,720
blurts out in a loud voice so that

782
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:37,120
everybody can hear him

783
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,880
okay he says so how about it hess

784
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,000
why don't you tell us your big secret

785
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,520
okay and i truly think that probably

786
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,240
gerring suspected a double as well

787
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,679
because of course you know

788
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,159
he was in close contact with hess on

789
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,000
almost a daily basis

790
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,840
prior to hess flying off to great

791
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,919
britain and there are a number of

792
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,600
pictures i put them in the book

793
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:04,159
where you see garing looking at hess

794
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,720
with

795
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,679
either this strange disgusted skeptical

796
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:08,720
look on his face

797
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:12,159
or at one point he's laughing so hard

798
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,520
at his that he's covering his face

799
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:18,880
with papers and you know this picture

800
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,440
you just

801
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,159
really have to see to believe because in

802
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,000
that picture you're walking from ribbon

803
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:25,520
trump the foreign minister is kind of

804
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,080
leaning

805
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,880
forward and he's looking at hess with

806
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,520
this

807
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,760
dumbfounded expression on his face like

808
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,880
are you completely

809
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,600
or have you completely lost it and on

810
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,600
the other side garing is laughing and

811
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,080
behind him grand admiral dennis

812
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,840
you can tell it's just glaring at him

813
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,080
through these sunglasses so yeah you

814
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,200
know these big name

815
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,320
nazis i think suspected something

816
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,880
was going on with hess at nuremberg

817
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,000
although you know they

818
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,919
other than gearing they kept their mouth

819
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,600
shut so yeah

820
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,080
there there's every indication that by

821
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,720
the time you get to nuremberg

822
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:05,760
hess or whoever really isn't

823
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,149
and as crazy as that is i mean there is

824
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,840
plenty of evidence like you cited most

825
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,880
of it there's also

826
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,039
things like he wouldn't let his family

827
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,919
come to see him in prison until 1969

828
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,200
like

829
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,760
you're in prison i mean what a good day

830
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,960
is the only day you get to see your

831
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:26,799
family why would you hold off on that

832
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,360
for

833
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,159
that long and also when his wife did

834
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,360
finally see him

835
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,200
she thought his voice got deeper which

836
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:35,440
is the exact opposite of what happens to

837
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,320
a man with

838
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,440
old age yep exactly obviously there were

839
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:40,320
other things but

840
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,679
another one i thought was interesting

841
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,320
was the strict no photos policy when he

842
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,760
was held in britain

843
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:48,320
yep just all these things that stack up

844
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,200
and

845
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,399
so about that trip see i want to

846
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,320
i want to get to the antarctica stuff

847
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,159
but all of this is important and people

848
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,440
really should read the book because i

849
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,200
love the story you piece together

850
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,960
it makes a lot of sense and it seems

851
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,360
like hess was making that trip to

852
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,960
scotland to meet with elements of a

853
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,240
british faction

854
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:09,039
and seemingly maybe seal the deal on a

855
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,000
peace plan

856
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,519
yeah that they were working on that

857
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,440
certain nazis and certain elements of

858
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,720
the british leadership

859
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,399
maybe were hammering out in back

860
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,000
channels right and

861
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,760
now that trip went awry and it didn't

862
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,519
really come to fruition but

863
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,000
if you get all the way to understanding

864
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,159
this back channel dealing was going on

865
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,919
which included conversations about

866
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,519
getting rid of hitler and

867
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,399
maybe even churchill which is a coup or

868
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,159
a double coup by definition

869
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,399
right and i'm glossing over a lot but if

870
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,080
you get to this peace plan there is a

871
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:40,159
strong reason to believe that antarctica

872
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,279
was a part of that plan

873
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,760
right correct well yeah let's back up

874
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,039
yeah yeah

875
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:48,559
the standard narrative about hess's

876
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,640
flight was that he was going over to

877
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,679
britain because

878
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,399
he thought he could negotiate peace with

879
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,320
the british

880
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,399
and of course the standard narrative

881
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,760
paints that as

882
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,320
just an impossibility nothing like that

883
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,399
could ever have happened

884
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,559
and you know the guy was nuts to think

885
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,159
that he could do this

886
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,120
but when you dig into the details it's

887
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:14,559
anything but

888
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,559
because first of all both rudolph hess

889
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,960
and hermann gehrig they're the number

890
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,159
two and three men

891
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,120
in nazi germany at that time and of

892
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,279
course in may of 1941

893
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,279
hitler's getting ready for his big

894
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,919
invasion of the soviet union operation

895
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:33,679
barbarossa

896
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,799
now hess again

897
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:39,519
is not a stupid man and he thinks that

898
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:39,919
this

899
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,279
is strategically at the minimum very

900
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,880
very risky

901
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,200
with the united states looking like it's

902
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,120
going to enter the war you know american

903
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,399
entries looming

904
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,080
and this is the same objection that

905
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,519
hermann gehrig had

906
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,919
to the invasion of russia you know he's

907
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,600
a practical military man

908
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,200
and he's thinking well you know how are

909
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,240
we going to take on the soviet union

910
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,120
and prevail if we are leaving the

911
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,679
americans forward bases in great britain

912
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:10,640
and britain's still in the war so both

913
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,120
hess

914
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,240
and gehring sponsored a number of peace

915
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,760
initiatives

916
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,640
from the fall of france and in germany's

917
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,080
case actually before the war

918
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:23,440
actually broke out with great britain

919
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,960
trying to cinch a deal now in hess's

920
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,159
case

921
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,200
these negotiations appear and again the

922
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,440
people that did yeoman's work in this

923
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,519
respect were the british researchers

924
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,000
picnic and prince just a marvelous book

925
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,720
and i think they make their case and i

926
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:41,919
agree with their case

927
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,360
that hess had used general house over

928
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,279
and his connections with the british

929
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:48,799
aristocracy

930
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:51,919
to basically negotiate with

931
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,159
that segment in british society which

932
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:56,480
let's remember

933
00:34:03,269 --> 00:33:59,919
that segment of british society

934
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,279
was very very much wanting

935
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,760
an accord with germany this was the

936
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,559
society

937
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,720
that backed neville chamberlain and the

938
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,720
policy of appeasement

939
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:13,359
it was heavily represented in the city

940
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,000
of london

941
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,599
it was heavily represented in the

942
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,040
british aristocracy

943
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520
and therefore in the house of lords it

944
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,679
was heavily represented behind lord

945
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,119
halifax

946
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:26,399
and most importantly within the royal

947
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,119
family

948
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,720
because the abdicated king edward viii

949
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,359
had dined with the hesses he was all in

950
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,599
favor of some sort of accommodation

951
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,480
with germany and this appears to have

952
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:40,240
been more or less the attitude of the

953
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,280
royal family

954
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:44,480
all right so in other words that wing or

955
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,879
that

956
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,000
faction within the british deep state

957
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,119
was considerable it was powerful

958
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,000
it didn't just evaporate when churchill

959
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,399
magically became prime minister

960
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,440
in may of of 1940

961
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,040
so in other words there is a peace

962
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,800
faction in great britain

963
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,040
and it's substantial and it has real

964
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:07,520
power after all the royal family is

965
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,720
part of this faction so when hess

966
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,839
flies to great britain unlike the

967
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,520
standard narrative what he

968
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,720
is really doing is he has been

969
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,800
negotiating with that faction

970
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:23,119
and gerring has as well through

971
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,160
different channels

972
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,560
and basically an agreement has been

973
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,760
hammered out

974
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,920
the basic essentials have been agreed

975
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:30,800
upon

976
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:34,960
but the problem is that on the british

977
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,240
side that faction will not negotiate

978
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:40,240
with hitler

979
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,800
okay and on the german side

980
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,040
they don't want to negotiate with

981
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,160
churchill

982
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,240
because he wants to continue the war

983
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,280
obviously

984
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,160
and is trying to woo american entry into

985
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:55,440
the war

986
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,839
so what you have is a peace proposal

987
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,560
between two factions in great britain

988
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,320
and nazi germany

989
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,960
that call for the removal of their heads

990
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:08,720
of government

991
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,640
okay so i think if you parse

992
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,560
all of the diplomatic language that's

993
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,480
flying back and forth between britain

994
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,359
and germany

995
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,800
through these back channels i think what

996
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:23,680
garing and hess came to the conclusion

997
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,160
is

998
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,720
that okay if we're going to go ahead

999
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,560
with this invasion of the soviet union

1000
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,400
number one we have to take britain out

1001
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,079
of the war

1002
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,280
and deny america forward bases you know

1003
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,200
at that point american entry becomes

1004
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,640
rather superfluous

1005
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,000
there would have been nothing that

1006
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:42,240
america really could have done

1007
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,359
militarily against nazi germany

1008
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,280
you know with a transatlantic invasion

1009
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,200
that's highly risky

1010
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,400
so that peace plan negotiation goes

1011
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:54,320
forward but it also becomes

1012
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,160
an international double coup d'etat plan

1013
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,079
and hess if you stop and think about it

1014
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,480
hess is bringing with him a lot of

1015
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,800
documents that were translated he had

1016
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,599
the nazi party auslan's organization

1017
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,560
which was their

1018
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:13,040
foreign intelligence network of the

1019
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,079
party itself

1020
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,200
translating these documents into english

1021
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,200
so he's bringing a lot of documents with

1022
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,000
him that never show up on the inventory

1023
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:25,599
of stuff that is recovered from him or

1024
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:26,000
his

1025
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,400
aircraft and the bona fides here and

1026
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:32,320
this is an important point to remember

1027
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,119
this is a

1028
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,079
hugely important point if you are

1029
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,880
negotiating with the british

1030
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,200
that yes we're serious we will replace

1031
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,320
hitler

1032
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,880
how do you convince them that you're

1033
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,560
going to do this well

1034
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,839
you fly the deputy fuhrer to great

1035
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,240
britain

1036
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,040
in other words he comes as the bonafides

1037
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:56,480
of the deal that they're trying to seal

1038
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,920
and then once churchill's removed you

1039
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,000
fly hess back he and gary

1040
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,560
take out hitler so in other words all

1041
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,040
the dynamics are there

1042
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:10,160
for this having been really a kind of

1043
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,599
international peace plan

1044
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,560
international coup d'etat plan against

1045
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,520
both governments

1046
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,079
to create a new accommodation between

1047
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,079
germany and great britain

1048
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,560
and you mentioned antarctica and this is

1049
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,320
very crucial

1050
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,960
part of this plan appears to have been

1051
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,240
quite literally a

1052
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,200
divvying up of the globe into respective

1053
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,880
spheres of interest

1054
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:35,359
for the british empire and for germany

1055
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,079
and

1056
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,240
of course it was hermann gehring that

1057
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:39,280
had sponsored

1058
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,280
that nazi expedition to antarctica

1059
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,400
and at one point after hess arrives

1060
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,800
in great britain and i find this

1061
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,320
extremely

1062
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,839
telling churchill has one of his

1063
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,240
personal confidants meet with hess and

1064
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,680
this is the other part of the story that

1065
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:59,200
doesn't get mentioned very much

1066
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,960
churchill did take meetings with us

1067
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,839
or have some of his spokesmen meet with

1068
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,640
hess

1069
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,079
for a number of weeks after his capture

1070
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,000
when hess was still imprisoned in the

1071
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,760
tower of london

1072
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,760
so in other words it appears that this

1073
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,160
was so serious that even churchill

1074
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,400
was at least willing to talk with the

1075
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,320
guy although we don't know

1076
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,119
much about what these talks came to

1077
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,160
because again

1078
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,880
the files have been sanitized but we do

1079
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,440
know that during one of these meetings

1080
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:34,000
one of churchill's representatives asked

1081
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,040
hess directly

1082
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,560
well what about norway

1083
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:41,599
and to me greg that's code for

1084
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,440
antarctica because

1085
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,320
garing when he sent the expedition to

1086
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,040
antarctica the place in antarctica that

1087
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,920
they explored was a place that had been

1088
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,400
previously claimed by norway called

1089
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,160
queen maud land

1090
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,760
when the expedition returned to germany

1091
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,240
the norwegian government had lodged a

1092
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,280
protest with the german foreign ministry

1093
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,839
that no you have no claim on that part

1094
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,319
of antarctica that part is yours and the

1095
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,119
german foreign ministry responded

1096
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,839
that no you have no claim because your

1097
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:18,800
claim does not

1098
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:22,560
extend into the interior as far as ours

1099
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,760
were the ones that explored that part of

1100
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,400
antarctica so in other words there was a

1101
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,000
disputed claim between

1102
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,960
germany and norway over a particular

1103
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,800
region of antarctica

1104
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,560
and then of course the war breaks out

1105
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,520
and in april of 1940 the germans

1106
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,480
invade norway you know and that's that

1107
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,680
so

1108
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,760
the norwegian government like the polish

1109
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:47,760
government goes into exile in

1110
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,880
great britain so i suspect that that

1111
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:52,560
query about norway is

1112
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,839
really code for the british asking well

1113
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:58,079
what about your claim in antarctica in

1114
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,960
other words

1115
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:01,200
what are we going to do about all of

1116
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,400
that rich

1117
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,880
source of natural resources down there

1118
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,119
that basically is untapped

1119
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,480
and in that case hess's response

1120
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,040
is very intriguing because he says the

1121
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,400
furor hasn't pronounced

1122
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:19,520
which means i'm willing to talk about it

1123
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,560
right because you know i'm expecting to

1124
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,839
be the fuhrer in

1125
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,040
you know a few weeks in a few weeks

1126
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,599
so yeah the whole thing is just an

1127
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,640
enormously

1128
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,720
complex thing because if you stop and

1129
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,800
think about it if the british and

1130
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,240
germans had signed

1131
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:39,119
such an accord and if secret protocols

1132
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,079
in that accord

1133
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,280
had basically divvied up the world into

1134
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,839
british and german spheres of influence

1135
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,400
then you know all of that military might

1136
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,520
that germany possessed in 1941 in its

1137
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,480
totality

1138
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,720
would have been unleashed on the soviet

1139
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,160
union you know with

1140
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,560
40 some extra divisions that were left

1141
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,680
on the western

1142
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:02,319
front part of the invasion and britain

1143
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,880
in turn

1144
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:05,280
you know would have come out of the war

1145
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,400
with its empire

1146
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,960
intact which would have been a very

1147
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:10,400
different world than the world that

1148
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,359
actually emerged

1149
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:14,160
after world war ii a very very different

1150
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,119
world

1151
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:17,520
so you know this is a huge thing this is

1152
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:18,319
a major

1153
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,160
major incident in the 20th century

1154
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,560
and uh i think there was another nazi

1155
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,760
officer helmet

1156
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:28,160
wolf that who was also heavily involved

1157
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,800
with

1158
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,599
ayas nazi dealings in antarctica and the

1159
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:33,680
peace plan so that's another indication

1160
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,000
that

1161
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:36,960
yeah it was a big component yeah voltart

1162
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,440
was

1163
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:40,800
gehring's minister without portfolio

1164
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,839
for setting up the antarctic expedition

1165
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,280
he was a state counselor

1166
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:47,760
but interestingly enough volta was the

1167
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:48,319
fellow

1168
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,319
that garing had appointed

1169
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,200
during the tense months of 19 you know

1170
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,280
the summer of 1939

1171
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,280
as you know war is looming because

1172
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,560
hitler's determined to

1173
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,040
you know solve the polish question

1174
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,040
voltart was the one that gerring

1175
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,200
sent to great britain to talk with

1176
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,200
contacts in the city of london

1177
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,200
about some sort of last-minute peace

1178
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,680
deal and it's interesting that with

1179
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,040
respect to poland

1180
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,240
eventually the polish

1181
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,520
government in exile using its contacts

1182
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,040
through the royal family the duke of

1183
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,960
hamilton and so on

1184
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:27,760
was talking with the royal family about

1185
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,480
making

1186
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,160
one of the members of the royal family

1187
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,760
king of poland

1188
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,720
in a sort of reconstituted poland and

1189
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,440
again

1190
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:38,079
this appears to have been on the agenda

1191
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,200
as far as hess

1192
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,319
was concerned with his peace plan that

1193
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,240
they were not opposed to some sort of

1194
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,720
you know puppet rump state in poland

1195
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,440
provided

1196
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,280
that whoever was in charge of it was

1197
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,880
someone that they could trust well you

1198
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,720
know you're negotiating with the royal

1199
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,160
family and other members of

1200
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,720
of the british deep state so certainly

1201
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,400
that probably would have been acceptable

1202
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,400
at least to guering and hess

1203
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,800
so yeah this is you know what's going on

1204
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:04,560
here is is huge

1205
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,079
and hess i think is playing

1206
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,960
the key role here because he's the one

1207
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,400
that has

1208
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,720
more or less figured out and read the

1209
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,839
tea leaves of british

1210
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,000
diplomatic messages correctly that you

1211
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,839
know the british aren't opposed to a

1212
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,200
peace with germany they're simply

1213
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,880
opposed to a peace with hitler

1214
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,480
in other words they want hitler out of

1215
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,240
there and then we'll talk

1216
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:29,359
and conclude something so this becomes a

1217
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,079
peace plan

1218
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:32,640
coup d'etat plan and i definitely think

1219
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,240
garing is involved and i'll tell you why

1220
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,280
gerring after hess's

1221
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,400
flight took off from augsburg germany on

1222
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,000
the way to great britain

1223
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:46,240
gehring calls up the head of air

1224
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,040
defenses

1225
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,280
in western europe a luftwaffe general by

1226
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,280
the name of adolf gallant

1227
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,200
and he tells gallant you need to

1228
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,359
scramble your fighters right away and

1229
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,720
golovk says why there's

1230
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,319
you know there's nothing coming in on

1231
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,400
the radar and gerring says

1232
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,960
i'm not talking about anything coming in

1233
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,520
i'm talking about something going out

1234
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,319
the dead the deputy fuhrer has hijacked

1235
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,720
a messerschmitt and he's flying to great

1236
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,640
britain and you need to shoot him down

1237
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,640
right away

1238
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,440
and of course gallant scrambles fighters

1239
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:18,000
but by

1240
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,480
that time and this is key by that time

1241
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:25,280
hess's messerschmitt would have been 300

1242
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,000
miles

1243
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,800
ahead any fighters that gallant was able

1244
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:30,480
to scramble in other words there was no

1245
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,960
chance

1246
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,640
that they could catch up with him and

1247
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,160
shoot him down

1248
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,280
now it's interesting because number one

1249
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:40,079
gerring's phone call clearly indicates

1250
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,119
that he

1251
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,160
knew about the plan

1252
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,960
so the real question is why is garing

1253
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,680
calling up

1254
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:50,160
gallant and i suspect that he's calling

1255
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:50,720
him up

1256
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:54,560
at a time when he knows

1257
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:58,160
that hess cannot be shot down because he

1258
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,280
wants to you know

1259
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,440
he wants to cover his you know what in

1260
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:03,680
case the whole thing should go wrong oh

1261
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,480
i heard about it

1262
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,839
i tried to stop it you know but a day

1263
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,599
later when he summoned a bear to

1264
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,640
scotland

1265
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,040
you know when hitler's trying to deal

1266
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,400
with the crisis that has

1267
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,520
his flight has caused him garing

1268
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:19,599
pretends that he knows nothing about it

1269
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,550
at all

1270
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,680
[Music]

1271
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,599
so that's a little clue right there that

1272
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,760
yeah garing is in on this

1273
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,079
to some degree and i suspect to a great

1274
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,920
degree because we have to ask ourselves

1275
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,720
another question

1276
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,119
tess is flying a twin engine measurement

1277
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,480
110

1278
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:39,520
from augsburg germany on an unauthorized

1279
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:40,400
flight

1280
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,000
into scotland where he hopes to meet

1281
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,720
some of these members of the scottish

1282
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:49,680
aristocracy who will give him entree

1283
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,720
into the royal family okay and it's

1284
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,720
important to note when hess lands in

1285
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,680
great britain

1286
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,680
he actually says he's coming under a

1287
00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,119
flag of truce

1288
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,800
from the king himself okay so that ought

1289
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,000
to click again

1290
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,280
but anyway the real problem is how does

1291
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,560
hess manage to fly

1292
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:10,560
on an unauthorized flight through the

1293
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,240
air defenses of nazi germany

1294
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,720
and of course the answer is the only way

1295
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,000
he can do so

1296
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,480
is if he has inside information that

1297
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,440
permits him to do so

1298
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,319
people smoothing the way for him well it

1299
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,400
turns out that the maps that has

1300
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:31,359
took with him were given to him by guess

1301
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,559
who

1302
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:35,599
hitler's pilot

1303
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,559
and of course if a luftwaffe general who

1304
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:40,640
happens to be hitler's pilot is giving

1305
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,319
you maps of the air defenses of germany

1306
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,720
this has to come from reich's marshall

1307
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,319
gearing himself

1308
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,160
and from within hitler's command

1309
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,520
structure so in other words

1310
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,640
you know rice marshall gary and then the

1311
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:55,599
other question is

1312
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,119
okay you've got a messerschmitt 110

1313
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,680
approaching northern scotland how is it

1314
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:03,280
that the raf

1315
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:06,880
only sends up two or three fighters

1316
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:10,559
right to intercept this german plane

1317
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,480
coming in and again it looks as if the

1318
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,599
raf

1319
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,160
had been told to stand down and in fact

1320
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,240
i point out in the book that

1321
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,800
some of the fighters that were scrambled

1322
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,319
were told to stand down

1323
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:27,119
don't shoot it down so in other words

1324
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,309
so you know this this is a you know that

1325
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,079
says right there that this is an

1326
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,200
internationally coordinated carefully

1327
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:40,240
planned

1328
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,000
plot the only thing that goes wrong

1329
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,119
is that has missed a beacon checkpoint

1330
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,839
and therefore used up some of his fuel

1331
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,520
and when he bails out over

1332
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,520
scotland parachutes out of his

1333
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,440
messerschmitt 110

1334
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,760
he's captured by the wrong people in

1335
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,079
other words he didn't make his meeting

1336
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,079
with the right people and on and on we

1337
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,119
could go you know

1338
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,880
the devil's in the detail there's

1339
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,359
there's a lot of details in the book

1340
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,480
absolutely it's so complex but that is

1341
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,680
definitely a

1342
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:14,880
good crash course and i just love it

1343
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:17,920
now the nazi antarctic expedition was

1344
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,839
in 38 39 correct then the war ends and

1345
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,880
then in

1346
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,400
1946 47 we have operation high jump

1347
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,240
right how do you think these events

1348
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,599
could be connected to

1349
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,559
each other and possibly to hess's prison

1350
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:34,319
situation

1351
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,079
all right as i said hess

1352
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,760
was in a position of such power

1353
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,720
inside of nazi germany prior to his

1354
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,000
flight

1355
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,280
that virtually nothing happened

1356
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,319
he was the martin borman of that era and

1357
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,720
in fact it was hess that brought borman

1358
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,359
into the nazi party as his secretary in

1359
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,400
other words

1360
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,559
he was the talent spotter there from

1361
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,760
folks

1362
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,280
so in other words you know the

1363
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,119
subsequent behind-the-scenes

1364
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,200
reign of martin bormann in the second

1365
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:08,960
half of the war was really due to

1366
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,440
rudolph

1367
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,839
s so that should give you another

1368
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,440
measure of the man that you're dealing

1369
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,720
with

1370
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,040
hess is in a position of such power

1371
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:19,119
prior to his flight

1372
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,760
that whatever that antarctic expedition

1373
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,800
which was part of a

1374
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,960
economic plan it was part of a

1375
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,359
technological plan

1376
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:34,240
hess would have known about it so if it

1377
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,440
found anything

1378
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,720
down there that was classified on

1379
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,440
the expedition's return hess would have

1380
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,559
known about it

1381
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,240
and he would have been one of the few

1382
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,480
people in nazi germany

1383
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,119
that would have known about it in fact i

1384
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,240
think that

1385
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:53,200
you're dealing there with a case of if

1386
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,160
anything was

1387
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:57,280
found and again please note my if if

1388
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,319
anything was

1389
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,920
found by that expedition the crew

1390
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,000
itself would have been placed under you

1391
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,319
know secrecy commitments

1392
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,319
and told not to talk about it and then

1393
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,240
probably the only other people that

1394
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,960
did know whatever was found there would

1395
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,359
have been hitler and garing and hess

1396
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,200
i don't even think himmler would have

1397
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,359
known at that point

1398
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,680
so it was if anything was found and

1399
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:24,000
please again note my caveat but i do

1400
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,720
think

1401
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,520
that something was found because the

1402
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:28,880
american reaction

1403
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:31,920
with operation high jump after the war

1404
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:35,359
to me is directly connected because the

1405
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,000
american

1406
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:39,280
explanations for hijab make no

1407
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,280
sense okay we were told at the time and

1408
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,599
then admiral byrd after the expedition

1409
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,680
had returned from antarctica wrote this

1410
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:49,520
big 100 plus

1411
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,640
page article for the national geographic

1412
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,480
that well we really went down there

1413
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,760
because one of the big

1414
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,319
theaters of the next war you know with

1415
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,400
the soviet union and the communist bloc

1416
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,599
will be in the arctic

1417
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:04,240
and blah blah blah well we went down

1418
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,640
there

1419
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,280
to train and test our tactics and

1420
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:08,800
equipment

1421
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,240
that's the story that's the cover

1422
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,960
and i'm thinking my word you don't need

1423
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,440
to outfit a battalion of marines

1424
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,000
and an entire flotilla including an

1425
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,400
aircraft carrier and a submarine

1426
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:25,599
to test equipment bearing the expense of

1427
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:26,000
that

1428
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,200
exactly an ally and guess what they've

1429
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,400
got roads up there you know

1430
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,079
so you know if we're going to test

1431
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,440
equipment

1432
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:42,559
then the logical cheapest place to do it

1433
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,240
would have been alaska and canada

1434
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,720
but no we've got to outfit a fleet to

1435
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,440
sail

1436
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,440
8 000 miles down to antarctica

1437
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,359
to test our equipment down there so in

1438
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,040
other words yeah i suspect this is a

1439
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,480
cover story

1440
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,720
and i suspect that whatever we were

1441
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,000
doing down there its

1442
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,240
secret purpose had to do with the german

1443
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,240
expedition

1444
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,559
so what might that have been well like

1445
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:09,359
the german

1446
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,839
expedition our expedition was to make

1447
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,680
photogrametric surveys of the continent

1448
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,440
in other words aircraft

1449
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,079
taking pictures of the surface of

1450
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,319
antarctica and then assembling all these

1451
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,599
pictures into more

1452
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:26,800
accurate and reliable maps okay

1453
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,119
i suspect that it is entirely possible

1454
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:33,119
that as they're doing this they may have

1455
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,240
snapped pictures

1456
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,280
that gave them some pause

1457
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,280
that that you know they may have seen

1458
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,200
something that looked artificial or

1459
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,640
maybe seen

1460
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,960
interesting geological features that

1461
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,640
indicated the presence of

1462
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,720
rare mineral deposits or something of

1463
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:50,880
this nature that would have caused

1464
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:53,920
the secrecy to be clamped down

1465
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,119
now with the american expedition there

1466
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,920
is one more thing that we need to be

1467
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:01,440
aware of

1468
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,240
and this is the people involved in the

1469
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:05,280
planning

1470
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:08,559
of the expedition they were

1471
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,040
none other than fleet admiral nimitz

1472
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:16,079
and the then secretary of the navy

1473
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,920
james forrestal and if you're one of

1474
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:21,280
those that believes there's something

1475
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:22,240
fishy about

1476
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,119
the so-called suicide of secretary

1477
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,880
forrestal i'm certainly one of those

1478
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,839
people

1479
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,680
i don't think it has anything to do with

1480
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,520
ufos like a lot of people do

1481
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,760
i think it has to do with antarctica

1482
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,160
yeah

1483
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,520
that is so interesting and for people

1484
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,079
who don't know he apparently

1485
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,319
made a makeshift noose out of towels and

1486
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:44,160
jumped out of a hospital window that's

1487
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,359
the story

1488
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,520
yeah he jumped out of you know he he

1489
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:50,000
dies at bethesda hospital he jumps out

1490
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:50,839
of

1491
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,799
supposedly the 16th floor window

1492
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,880
and there's so much to call that into

1493
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,839
question

1494
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,280
there's actually a book out and i've

1495
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,440
been trying to find it that somebody

1496
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,240
wrote

1497
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:04,000
about the three mysterious deaths that

1498
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,440
the incidents or

1499
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,200
mysterious goings on at bethesda

1500
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,359
regarding president kennedy regarding

1501
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:11,680
senator mccarthy and regarding secretary

1502
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,799
forrestall

1503
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,480
and i wish i could remember the name of

1504
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,799
the book because there is a researcher

1505
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,920
out there that's been

1506
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,839
digging into that whole weird

1507
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,680
relationship

1508
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,000
but yeah forrest all you know supposedly

1509
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:26,960
takes this tumble up

1510
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:29,839
out of his bedroom window and to be sure

1511
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,400
he was

1512
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,400
acting mighty strange towards the end of

1513
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,680
his life but

1514
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,440
he certainly wasn't acting strange or

1515
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,160
suicidal on the night that this happened

1516
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,319
so yeah i suspect that there's something

1517
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,559
going on with antarctica that

1518
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:45,200
became known to the nazis at the time

1519
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,000
and then

1520
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,720
was suspected by the american command

1521
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,680
after the war

1522
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,640
and perhaps became known to them as well

1523
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:54,640
as a result of their expedition down

1524
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,200
there

1525
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,720
the whole thing is just very very

1526
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,640
strange

1527
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:01,040
it definitely is and as you know in the

1528
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,079
book

1529
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,920
for a long time you were resistant to

1530
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,079
the idea of a nazi base in antarctica

1531
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,000
because of the scale of the operation

1532
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,079
and the resources required to jumpstart

1533
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,400
that to get the power going et cetera

1534
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,720
right now it's a huge undertaking right

1535
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:16,079
well let me get weird on you for a

1536
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,200
minute as a guy

1537
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,480
who considers the hollow earth ideas the

1538
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,000
subterranean worlds

1539
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,240
that's a real guilty pleasure and you

1540
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,319
know what if what if rumors of lush

1541
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,640
tropical underground areas are true or

1542
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,000
the findings like the

1543
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,480
underground lake vostok are or maybe

1544
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,160
that's just the tip of the iceberg

1545
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,799
and you know what if the project of a

1546
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,319
nazi base was more like

1547
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,000
american colonization where they were

1548
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,760
just able to use the resources that were

1549
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,040
there when they arrived or

1550
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,280
perhaps even ancient structures and

1551
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:47,200
exotic energy sources do you consider

1552
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
any of that possible at this point well

1553
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,040
i have yet to be convinced of any of

1554
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,440
them i i have no doubt

1555
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,000
that the germans may have found warm

1556
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,240
water springs in fact there's

1557
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,559
evidence to suggest that they may have

1558
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,839
done this

1559
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,880
and that they may have found

1560
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:09,119
subterranean caverns and so on and so

1561
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,240
forth

1562
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:13,440
my biggest problem with this whole idea

1563
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:16,880
of nazi bases remains in

1564
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,240
the scale that the

1565
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,599
nazi last battalion people want people

1566
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:24,960
to believe

1567
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,000
submarine pins

1568
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,920
in some versions of it they want us to

1569
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:31,760
believe that there were secret flying

1570
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,559
saucer research facilities there

1571
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:37,200
and on and on this goes and i say this

1572
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,319
is just

1573
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:41,599
nonsense for this pure and simple reason

1574
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,319
that for the german creeks marine for

1575
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:46,079
the german navy

1576
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,240
to have built and maintained

1577
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,520
logistically such a base so

1578
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,319
shortly before the outbreak of world war

1579
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,240
ii in other words the expedition returns

1580
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,160
in early 1939

1581
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,440
war breaks out in september of 1939

1582
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,680
so in other words even if you do make

1583
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,880
use of energy

1584
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,960
that may be there with geothermal

1585
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,400
springs or what have you

1586
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:12,640
you still have to haul the equipment

1587
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:13,440
down there

1588
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,119
and you have to haul enough technicians

1589
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,200
down there and then sustain

1590
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,240
them and this to me is

1591
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,280
utterly beyond the capability

1592
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,559
of the german navy at that time it would

1593
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:30,640
have taxed their resources

1594
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,240
beyond its operational capability

1595
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,480
and even with high jump let's remember

1596
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,280
that vast

1597
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:40,000
expenditure that we lavished on that

1598
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:40,799
expedition

1599
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:44,960
still was only able to

1600
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,599
send a flotilla of about 21 ships and a

1601
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,200
battalion of marines

1602
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:51,440
and that's the united states and that's

1603
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,240
without

1604
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,440
a war going on in the process

1605
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,760
so no i don't think it's possible for

1606
00:59:02,950 --> 00:58:59,280
there to have been

1607
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:02,960
a base there that the germans maintained

1608
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,000
like all of these last myth battalion

1609
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,599
stories that you hear and i want to

1610
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,319
point out to people that those stories

1611
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,480
ultimately begin to be circulated after

1612
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,680
the war

1613
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,000
from crowds that are associated with

1614
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,000
neo-nazis now i've referred to these

1615
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:20,000
people in my books over the years i

1616
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:21,119
certainly have

1617
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,119
but the the problem is that you know

1618
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,799
i'm trying to i'm trying to lay out a

1619
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,799
story that takes several books to

1620
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,520
explain

1621
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,760
you know like no one wants to read a 5

1622
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,400
000 page book

1623
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,040
so i i just never have bought this idea

1624
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:39,760
simply from the logistical standpoint

1625
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,799
of doing this as i've pointed out in

1626
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:45,119
a previous book nazi international if

1627
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:46,319
you're looking for

1628
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,000
an enclave of nazis that are

1629
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,640
up to all sorts of no good including

1630
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,079
secret research

1631
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,559
the place that all of the evidence leads

1632
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,359
you to

1633
01:00:00,789 --> 01:00:00,160
is not antarctica which i think is a bit

1634
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,799
of

1635
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,440
perhaps deliberate deflection it's

1636
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,359
southern argentina

1637
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,319
that's where the stuff is going on so no

1638
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,319
i i've never bought this

1639
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:12,240
secret base thing could they have

1640
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,359
discovered

1641
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,079
you know lakes and so on sure but i

1642
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,400
suspect the discovery was

1643
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,799
more on the order of being indicated to

1644
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,400
them by the photos

1645
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,880
that they were taking of the continent

1646
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,440
than by any actual human exploration

1647
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,960
we have to remember that german

1648
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,720
expedition was

1649
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,440
one seaplane tender with a crew of about

1650
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,520
50.

1651
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,640
so in other words even to require

1652
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:41,280
that kind of discovery you would have to

1653
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,000
have a much

1654
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,720
larger expedition in order to do it it

1655
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:47,200
was a very very small expedition

1656
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:50,720
that went down there yeah the argentina

1657
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:51,599
thing is

1658
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,960
definitely something to look at peter

1659
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:54,799
lavender of course has his famous story

1660
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,359
of

1661
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,440
actually interacting with nazis in

1662
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,720
argentina it seems

1663
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,119
it was chilly it was chilling oh chile

1664
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:03,119
my bad yeah he interacted with the

1665
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,599
people

1666
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,839
in and around the former colonia digni

1667
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,640
dot

1668
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,040
which is down around the city of pearl

1669
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,200
that's who he interacted with

1670
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,480
the argentinian side of the story

1671
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,160
has been brought out in my books it's

1672
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,920
been brought out by an american naval

1673
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,160
commander by the name of harry cooper

1674
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,400
who's been in actual contact with some

1675
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,400
of those people or their families

1676
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,559
in that region of argentina so yeah it's

1677
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:27,839
a big big

1678
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,640
it's not nazis hiding out in grass huts

1679
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,559
in the amazon basin

1680
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,359
down there it's a much more organized

1681
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,720
affair i can assure you

1682
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:38,640
fair enough so the suggestion is more

1683
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,119
that maybe the nazis saw something on

1684
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,880
this expedition and then

1685
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,040
possibly word got out in small circles

1686
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:46,559
and admiral byrd was sent to

1687
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:49,680
reinvestigate i suspect that that

1688
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,200
even if they didn't have intelligence

1689
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,839
that they suspected and if they

1690
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:57,839
suspected something like that that would

1691
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,319
have been

1692
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,359
reason enough for them to go there now

1693
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,839
having said all of this about bases i

1694
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:05,760
don't rule out that that may have been a

1695
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,319
factor

1696
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,680
in their thinking right i don't rule

1697
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:10,799
that out

1698
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:13,839
because byrd did give that very strange

1699
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,200
statement to el mercurio the

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01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,640
santiago newspaper which to this day i

1701
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,400
think is a strange statement no matter

1702
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,240
how people try and spin it away and

1703
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,760
trust me they've been trying to spin it

1704
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:27,920
away for a long time

1705
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,880
i do think that this was partly a factor

1706
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,079
in their thinking

1707
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:34,319
but i suspect in order to mount an

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01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,359
expedition that

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01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,440
large that they may have had some

1710
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:38,640
intelligence

1711
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,599
from somewhere about it by that time

1712
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,960
they may have learned it from

1713
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:45,680
captured ss archives who knows i i don't

1714
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,160
know

1715
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,680
where they may have found out but i

1716
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,839
think they probably had intelligence

1717
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,280
otherwise you're not going to mount a

1718
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,680
whole expedition to go down there

1719
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,000
you would send something smaller and

1720
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,000
look for indications or confirmations

1721
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,160
before you sent something that large

1722
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,039
right and the santiago newspaper thing

1723
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,480
is just so interesting because it's like

1724
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,000
he purposefully

1725
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:08,319
said something to this reporter before

1726
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,359
he came home

1727
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,960
and knew he was going to be told to keep

1728
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,200
silent it seems like that's what i would

1729
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:14,880
think is he's doing

1730
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,680
yeah i think so too you have academic

1731
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:18,160
spin

1732
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,599
trying to say well he wasn't really

1733
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,359
talking about that or it's being

1734
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,520
mistranslated blah blah blah

1735
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:25,200
but the bottom line is he's still

1736
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,559
talking about fighters

1737
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,559
flying from pole to pole with tremendous

1738
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,000
speed in the united states has

1739
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,200
to defend itself against that well

1740
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:35,280
you don't say something like that in the

1741
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,240
context of an

1742
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,720
antarctic expedition if you're worried

1743
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,559
about the soviet union

1744
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,400
because the soviet union isn't going to

1745
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:44,960
fly its airplanes around the south pole

1746
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,920
they can't get at the united states in

1747
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:49,680
fact they probably couldn't fly them all

1748
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,319
over the south pole it's going to be

1749
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,520
over the north pole so

1750
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:55,760
who's he talking about and that's the

1751
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,720
problem

1752
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,960
so in other words you know it's a bit of

1753
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,960
to me it's very frustrating to see these

1754
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:01,680
kinds of

1755
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,000
academic denials because you know what

1756
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,680
they're really doing is they're avoiding

1757
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,520
the obvious question that's staring them

1758
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,880
right in the face

1759
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:11,760
what is bird talking about you know and

1760
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:12,000
who

1761
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,680
is he talking about right well

1762
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,359
jesus man i guess i can't keep you here

1763
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,839
forever but i will say all i want for

1764
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,440
christmas is confirmation of

1765
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,359
subterranean worlds in antarctica

1766
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,359
inhabited by humans from a previous

1767
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,480
age aliens or ufo flying nazis so

1768
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:29,760
fingers crossed

1769
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,880
good luck right right well

1770
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,280
either way dr farrell you are the

1771
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:37,359
goddamn man i always love to hear that

1772
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:38,559
you have a book coming out

1773
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:40,160
loved our last conversation about the

1774
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,160
common core book as well

1775
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,680
and remind the people where they can

1776
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,359
follow up on your work become a member

1777
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,880
of your site and any other future

1778
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,640
projects that you might have coming

1779
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,119
they can get the books from amazon i

1780
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:52,880
haven't still haven't put the hess book

1781
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,520
up in my

1782
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:55,200
web store but they can get it from

1783
01:05:03,589 --> 01:04:58,400
amazon and the website itself

1784
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,599
is www.gizadeathstar.com become a geezer

1785
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,400
that's what we're calling ourselves now

1786
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,440
geezers nice become a geezer there's

1787
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:11,119
lots of stuff in the members area

1788
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,079
webinars and

1789
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,640
vid chats and a few papers and so on so

1790
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:16,240
we have a good time

1791
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,119
perfect well i consider you the head

1792
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:21,680
custodian of mopping up the hess mess so

1793
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,079
great

1794
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:24,559
job and take care of yourself out there

1795
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:26,079
you too thank you greg for having me

1796
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:26,720
back

1797
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,480
you got it holy snokes and happy

1798
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:33,039
holidays people another wild ride with

1799
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:34,480
one of my favorite guests

1800
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,480
dr joseph p farrell all right all right

1801
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,559
i cannot complain about that always

1802
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,799
excited to record and release a joseph

1803
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,319
farrell interview

1804
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,240
i think this is his fourth time coming

1805
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,000
on the first one about

1806
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,920
money and alchemy and the financial

1807
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,240
vipers of venice is hard to beat

1808
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,079
and the last one about common core

1809
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,760
teaching curriculum is also

1810
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:58,480
really solid if you ask me but i think

1811
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,599
an expose

1812
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:02,160
on the top nazi occultist isn't bad

1813
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:02,960
either and

1814
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:05,200
it's a long and winding road to get

1815
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,559
there but when we do

1816
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,640
we end up with a decent amount of

1817
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,400
circumstantial evidence that

1818
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,480
something related to antarctica is on

1819
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:13,760
the table

1820
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:16,880
and someone's keeping secrets there is

1821
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:17,359
just

1822
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,920
so much to this story and so much to the

1823
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,920
hess and the penguins book itself

1824
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,599
stuff we didn't even get to like the

1825
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,319
fact that so many alternative folks talk

1826
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:28,799
about the holocaust and that six million

1827
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,599
number

1828
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:32,640
and that it was used well before

1829
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,760
the actual final solution well joseph

1830
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,720
ferrell tracks

1831
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,559
and vets those claims pretty thoroughly

1832
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,880
in the book he also talks about

1833
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,880
zionist collusion in the mix and a lot

1834
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,039
of other threads and side stories that

1835
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,039
are just as mind-blowing really

1836
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,359
when you think about how at any point in

1837
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:50,960
the story that had a zig

1838
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,359
there it could have been a zag and

1839
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:54,559
everything would have been just

1840
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,280
radically different today i would also

1841
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:59,359
say go over to youtube and watch some

1842
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,559
clips of hess

1843
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,319
at nuremberg now that you know all this

1844
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:04,319
stuff because it's fascinating to watch

1845
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:07,119
and i would just play a clip or two from

1846
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:08,960
his speech for you here but most of the

1847
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,520
clips

1848
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:11,440
are of course in german with english

1849
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:12,960
subtitles rather than

1850
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:15,520
an english translation so just check it

1851
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,680
out for yourself

1852
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,599
i also realize this might come off as a

1853
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:22,160
show more about what we don't know than

1854
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,359
what we do

1855
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,160
but context is everything and with the

1856
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,240
first hours context we then spent the

1857
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:29,760
second hour speculating

1858
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,480
on what that secret could be wildly

1859
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,480
speculating on my part and

1860
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:37,200
maybe more reasonably on dr farrell's

1861
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,079
part

1862
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,920
we might not know the secret itself but

1863
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,839
just look at how hess was uniquely held

1864
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,960
in captivity

1865
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,960
and then seemingly murdered and then

1866
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,440
look at james forestell and richard byrd

1867
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:50,480
jr's deaths i think those are parts from

1868
01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:51,599
the plus show

1869
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,240
but we have a smattering of

1870
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:55,119
murder-suicides in what looks like an

1871
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,000
attempt to keep

1872
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,039
something under wraps something big

1873
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:01,920
but this is one where the full show is

1874
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,240
so

1875
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,319
key because again hour one tells the

1876
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,160
tale itself and then hour two

1877
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:08,559
is getting into operation high jump a

1878
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,599
bit more

1879
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:12,000
that suspicious and untimely death of

1880
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:12,799
richard byrd

1881
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:15,680
jr antarctica strangeness in modern

1882
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:16,239
times

1883
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,839
and the long list of abnormal visitors

1884
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,359
we talked about atlantis and the

1885
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,359
prospect of antarctica holding the

1886
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:25,199
secrets to an ancient advanced

1887
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,400
civilization

1888
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,400
neutrino detectors the

1889
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:30,000
interconnectedness of recent

1890
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,839
hacking stories and how they might

1891
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,000
signal the re-emergence of a breakaway

1892
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,759
civilization

1893
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,400
and then as usual i break the narrative

1894
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,880
and ask dr farrell just some one-offs

1895
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,560
about current events and things that

1896
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,319
i've seen him commenting on like

1897
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:47,120
the mysterious q anon writings and the

1898
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:48,480
prospect of them being

1899
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,839
ai driven how dr farrell looks at and

1900
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:52,880
interprets the

1901
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:55,000
mandela effect and of course

1902
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,159
cryptocurrencies

1903
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:59,359
and bitcoin man i do just love this

1904
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,400
episode

1905
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,759
if you're still just listening to the

1906
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,679
free show week after week i think it's

1907
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,440
time you consider signing up for plus

1908
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,400
because it's like

1909
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:09,120
you're only watching half the movie it's

1910
01:09:12,030 --> 01:09:10,080
christmas time

1911
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:12,040
help me help you the

1912
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:13,440
highersidechatsplus.com

1913
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,480
five bucks for five shows a month or 60

1914
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,239
bucks for a year

1915
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,480
you can also sign up through patreon if

1916
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,920
you must

1917
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:24,000
but either way the year's coming to a

1918
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,120
close

1919
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,199
i don't say this stuff often but review

1920
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:28,560
me where you can

1921
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,199
share this where you can tell our best

1922
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:32,960
guests that you liked them being

1923
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:35,359
on so they know to keep thc in their

1924
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,480
rotation

1925
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,960
and tell your favorite shows it's time

1926
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,040
to have greg karl wood on

1927
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:43,120
i've talked to a lot of my fellow

1928
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:44,719
podcasters who are getting

1929
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,560
agents and hiring pr representation

1930
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,400
and i would never want to find myself

1931
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:52,719
spending money on that type of stuff but

1932
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:54,640
i also have to keep up with everyone

1933
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,520
else

1934
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,239
i want the sharing and promotion of the

1935
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,760
show to be organic

1936
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,640
just because people like it not because

1937
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,320
i started paying some firm

1938
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,920
a couple hundred bucks a month i'm not

1939
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,440
gonna do that

1940
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,440
let's stick with the collective power of

1941
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,120
a passionate audience

1942
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,960
and i hate to ask you to do more than

1943
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,480
just listen

1944
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,640
but the more collective help i can

1945
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,080
garner it's just true

1946
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,679
the better guests i'm able to get the

1947
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:21,520
better show i'm able to make it's the

1948
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:22,239
god damn

1949
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,840
circle of life but either way things are

1950
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,679
great we got no worries

1951
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,159
well we do but we're trying to maintain

1952
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,800
that positive polarity in some seriously

1953
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,560
troubling times all right

1954
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,280
enjoy your friends and family let the

1955
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:39,520
differences slide be the better person

1956
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:40,480
and just have

1957
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:44,400
a good going out for 2017.

1958
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,480
two more shows coming at you really soon

1959
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:48,960
the next one is a great look into mk

1960
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,600
ultra

1961
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,239
trauma-based mind control and satanic

1962
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,400
ritual abuse with a professional

1963
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,880
clinical psychologist who studied it

1964
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,440
intensely a lot of you thought jay

1965
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:00,880
parker was pretty out there

1966
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,280
even though he is right about so many

1967
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,120
things his personal story

1968
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,280
can be a lot to take in so now we're

1969
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,000
gonna look at that type of thing

1970
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,880
from a more measured perspective but it

1971
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:14,080
no doubt

1972
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,719
fits with that episode as well really

1973
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,480
excited to lay that one on you

1974
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,719
brace yourself i'll see you then i've

1975
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,840
done my part

1976
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,360
your move secret keepers of the

1977
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,199
breakaway civilization nazi

1978
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,960
internationals and custodians of the

1979
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:28,640
antarctic underground

1980
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:32,640
your [\h__\h] move i won't take it

1981
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,760
no i refuse if it's all right i'll keep

1982
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:36,960
my refuge

1983
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,840
i've been scheming a bigger things and

1984
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:40,960
have to leave my

1985
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,080
old life behind gotta transfer

1986
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,640
to the inner earth i built a box built a

1987
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,120
hole got a neat elevator

1988
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,080
going under and now you'll find me in

1989
01:12:06,830 --> 01:11:55,120
the bunker

1990
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:09,610
bunker

1991
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,840
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1992
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:22,640
bunker

1993
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,679
yeah the laughing alien classics while

1994
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:26,960
they're scheming

1995
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,880
on the messes who do you think they are

1996
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,920
fancy suit and a cigar

1997
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:36,000
tell you the basics they print your

1998
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:36,960
money

1999
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:40,000
got the fed in your head currency now

2000
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,280
they're smiling

2001
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:44,159
and your caged meat how this happened

2002
01:12:51,890 --> 01:13:02,830
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2003
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is

2004
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[Music]

2005
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plans are simple the best protection of

2006
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,480
all

2007
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,800
is the special shelter built according

2008
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,960
to specifications of your local civil

2009
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,280
defense organization

2010
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,120
the basement of any house or building

2011
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:22,960
will become a good improvised

2012
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:25,360
shelter if you block the windows with

2013
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:26,719
sandbags

2014
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[Music]

2015
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is